Don’t feel discouraged..

it’s difficult starting out to get to babystep 1. And developing a budget and staying away from credt cards is no easy task when it isnt yet habit!

If you make a mistake, just start over. Every mistake is a chance to learn how to do it better next time. I had a lot of trouble developing a budget we could stick to… it was even a few months before I could successfully fill my envelopes all the way. But once I had that EF in the bank and started paying off credit cards, I felt a lot more secure and seemed to have more money. You don’t realize that when you use credit, you spend more than you would otherwise, and everything costs more due to interest. When you use cash, you end up buying less and saving the interest payment each purchase adds up.

Keep us updated if you have any troubles or can’t seem to make ends meet. Everyone here has a lot of useful tips!

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It goes back to the NEED vs want

Another few things to consider. You KNOW the vehicle you have now, you don’t know this SUV, you don’t know what repairs have been done or need to be done on it, while you do on the vehicle you currently own.

Also, SUVs tend to be a higher insurance rate, and newer vehicles generally cost more to insure than old ones. Many companies will require you to pay the first month of insurance up front on a new vehicle, even if you are already insured with them. They will also run a credit check, do you want anyone running a credit check right now? Remember your credit rating generally goes down as you pay off debt, which equals higher insurance rates. The more credit checks ran the lower your rate goes, and they will run a credit check for the new loan as well.

Plus then you have to consider the cost of sales ads to sell your existing one, excise tax and tags for the new vehicle. If you have to replace any parts or tires on either one, which is going to be more expensive parts wise? There is a lot more to compare besides gas mileage and current loan rates.

Speaking of loan rates are you certain you can get another loan and if you do what will the interest rate be? You definitely don’t want to go up in rate.

Sorry if I am being a downer, but I am a math nerd and if you are going to run a cost comparison, you need to consider all the costs.

When I was delivering flowers I put items in the seat and floor board to level the back seat out, including a piece of plywood and it made a nice flat surface to haul the thousands of dollars worth of fragile flowers. Would doing something similar make it easier on you?

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Well, I can certainly get by without an SUV..

but working in catering I constantly have my back seat crammed with equipment. So itd be nice to be able to fit it all more nicely back there and maybe have room for people too. That’s why I have always wanted one.

I feel the same way about the loan… except it isn’t really another loan, but one that replaces the existing car loan on the car, for the same or less money. And (presumably) paid of on the same schedule I would’ve paid off the car… unless some crazy interest rate is thrown at me in which case I would scrap the idea.

So basically, I would love the SUV… but it is a hassle to go through with. Hmmm…

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My question would be

“Why do you feel the NEED for the SUV”? Even though the operating costs might be the same now, I’d expect the SUV to cost more over time. So that would put you into a negative net situation. Also, you have to worry about actually being ABLE to sell your car. If you’re thinking that the SUV is a similar deal, why wouldn’t anyone looking at buying your car have the same thoughts? And you’re talking about getting ANOTHER loan, which just doesn’t sit well with me. But then again, it isn’t my money… It just doesn’t seem enough benefit to go through all the gyrations.

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Hey everyone!

I have been pretty silent the last month and a half as I have just been busy busy with work… catering, so holidays are CRAZY for me. Anywho, its settling down now and I wanted to pop in to pose an interesting question to the group.
As an aside – I have been reading my email digest version of the board when I can and have kept you all in my thoughts and prayers. Jan, glad your husband is OK! And Kathy, aside from the fee, at least this kind of makes you hang on to the tax money. When you do get that refund, maybe you’ll have a larger snowball than you would have otherwise because you were forced not to spend it. Idk – just trying to find you a bright spot!
Now here is my quandry – I recently learned the small SUV “crossover” of my dreams can be had for approx the same value as my current car. It’s an odd phenomenon, I know, but the value of my car, which has 111k miles is about the same as a newer model, lower milage (between 50k and 80k seems average range for the monetary value) crossover of the same make. I checked out the mpg and its the same for both vehicles since my older model car is less fuel efficient! So it’s an even monetary swap, for a newer model. I still have a car loan, and was planning on paying it off fully this year anyhow. So… to keep it, or to swap out for the crossover?
And then I was trying to figure out the best way to handle the transaction.
I COULD use my tax refund to fully pay off the car loan first, then list it for sale sooner rather than later once I get the clear title. The drawback here is that my tax money I had planned to use as a snowball for credit debt which has a higher interest rate than the car loan. My worry though is that since I drive a lot for work, as my car mileage increases, I might lose this opportunity to upgrade my car without having to spend extra money. Also, since I hadn’t planned to pay off the car loan in full right away, it would probably be wise to get a loan from the credit union for the crossover, so that I would then be able to apply the cash sales money from the car to the credit card debt of higher interest. I would then pay off the car loan on the same schedule as I would have if I still had the original car. Not sure though if my interest rate will improve (Ill have to check – my current auto loan is at 10%).
I just don’t know if thats the best way to take advantage of the situation.
I do depend on reliable transportation for work, so this opportunity potential is attractive. But I also don’t want to derail my good money habits.

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I am also somewhat new to the DR program

and I am on baby step 2… working on paying off those debts.
But I have still learned A LOT (I can’t even fathom the wealth of financial knowledge inside of the group members here who are almost to step 7!).
My biggest lessons:
1.) Getting into debt was directly connected to my mental outlook that I deserved things NOW instead of having to earn them first. Had to turn that horse around quick!
2.) In addition, I had to learn to get a handle on what I really needed in the first place. When I think back and ask what I bought over the last 10 years that was so important I couldn’t wait for it, I draw a blank. Boy it sucks now to have to pay interest on items that weren’t important to begin with! Ha! Now, I have learned to better decipher what I need to buy and what I don’t need to have because it isn’t really something I need.
3.) Budgeting and pre-planning money is freeing… its work at first, but then it makes everything so much less stressful after a small initial time investment

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Our family started out on our journey in 2007

5 1/2 years later we had paid off 259,000 dollars of personal and business debt. No more personal debt. Unfortunately, our business took a big hit when we lost our biggest client and 50 percent of our income. Then the recession slowed us down. We went into business debt because we literally couldn’t make ends meet. We didn’t pay for inventory we sold and couldn’t pay payroll taxes. Our business is finally back on track! Our bills are current and we have payment plans with Dell and the government. Our home account never went back into debt because I didn’t need credit cards. Our personal take home was cut by 1/3 and we’ve kept it that way even though our business is doing better. I’m more frugal and cut costs whenever I can at home. I am happy to finally be snowballing again for the business. We are also saving up a peaks and valleys fund for the business, which gives me peace of mind that we won’t back slide again.

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